Posts by Anony Mous

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

Anony Mous

@Rocketman: There is no correlation between vaccine rates and death rates.

If COVID was such a threat if you're not vaccinated, with only 50% of the population vaccinated, you should still see similar levels and outbreaks amongst the unvaccinated. You don't.

You don't see that due to natural immunity in the majority of the population. Even the CDC says that natural immunity develops automatically (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/immunity-types.htm)

There have been recent studies indicating at least 50-75% (depending on the model) of people currently not vaccinated have been exposed and may have developed natural immunity.

The fact that Canada has problems dealing with people getting sick has more to say about their hospitals than about the disease. In the US, except for NYC state-run hospital (which were overran because Cuomo refused to pay for care at empty privately owned public hospitals), no hospitals were overrun. In Canada, hospitals are overrun on a regular day as people often wait up to a year to get critical care (https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2019)

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

Anony Mous

“The fact is that unvaccinated people have more of chance of suffering worse symptoms from this virus with its new variants.”

You can prove that is false, because there would be a LOT more people in the hospital as the new variants are much faster and more optimized for spreading and infecting than previous variants.

The fact is that there are a LOT less people in the hospital. Currently 49.4 percent of the country's population is vaccinated. We should be seeing at least HALF the cases we saw last year if COVID was still a threat. We see less than 10 deaths in moving averages for states that have opened up.

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Have you been vaccinated? Have you had any side effects?

by LoveUniHateExams in

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hi all.. i'm 42 years old.

i have had two jabs of the oxford-astrazeneca vaccine.. after my first jab i experienced flu-like symptoms - shivering, wanted to lie down in a dark room, etc.. i experienced no side effects after my second shot.. how about you?.

how many jabs have you had?.

Anony Mous

I had a smaller dose of the mRNA vaccine during the trials, severe autoimmune reaction, injection side arm was red, hot and swollen for several days.

Had several doctors analyze it, was told to ice it for the time being and that I was probably severely allergic to one of the compounds. As a result, I am not getting vaccinated right now until they find out what is causing severe reactions in some, Pfizer and CDC is refusing to share data on allergic reactions to compounds and FDA is just saying it's not an approved vaccine, so nobody is analyzing the data.

No major other effects other than increased temperature and feeling tired the next day.

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Please Keep Your Comments 30 Seconds or Less

by IWant2Leave in

after listening to the zoom meetings the past two weeks, i started to wonder, what is the real purpose for such short comments.

policy for 5 or more years now.

supposedly, it is so more can comment.

Anony Mous

It's very hard to create a subversive answer in 30s too

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

Anony Mous

False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning.

The facts are that most of the population has natural immunity, that's why we see cases dropping before there were even vaccines or a majority of people vaccinated and why we don't see a resurgence, even amongst the unvaccinated.

People have either natural immunity or vaccines by now. Pick your poison. There are very few people dying from COVID Delta variant today because you're either immune naturally or artificially. There is no evidence that people that have gotten COVID prior or that have gotten the vaccine are spreading the disease AT ALL.

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What Will Happen If You Do NOT Get The Covid Vaccinations?

by minimus in

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we are encouraged to all, if possible, get the vaccinations.

if you don’t, we are told that we definitely could get the virus.

fair enough.. but what happens if you decide you aren’t going to get the shots?

Anony Mous

The virus can stay suspended in air particles because it typically gets there in bubbles of water that are warm and small enough not to land. On clean, dry surfaces, it dries out quickly and dies. On copper and copper alloy surfaces (most sanitary surfaces like drinking fountains and public bathroom sinks around here) it dies instantly.

Also in the air, it often gets picked up and quickly redistributed, whereas on surfaces, it stays on surfaces unless someone aerosolizes it.

Hence why surface transmission is not an issue, but air-to-air can be depending on the environment. Air-to-air transmission where lots of people share moist, room temperature air (eg. shared heating ducts) is the primary vector at this point for the virus besides direct transmission from person to person. Hence why lockdowns of parks and beaches and outside dining are counterproductive, because they force people inside.

If you are vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about, if you're under the age of 35, you have nothing to worry about, if you share a room with vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about. If you're between the ages of 35 and 65 you have a minor risk of getting non-life threatening sickness. If you are otherwise immunocompromised, your mileage may vary. If you're over the age of 80, you will die soon anyways, but you should be careful.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

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friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Anony Mous

@Jeffro: If you stopped reading only what conforms to your viewpoint. It's not Florida bringing down the average. Things don't average out like you think, you should learn some statistics.

I quoted stats from NYC that shows the same if not worse averages, one of the most left-wing cities in one of the most left-wing states in the world. NYC had Republican support at 18.2 percent in 2016 to 22.6 percent in 2020. Even if you contend that ALL Trump voters refuse to vaccinate, you still have to account for a nearly equal amount of "others" that refuse to vaccinate.

87% of blacks voted for Biden/Democrats. Even if all Black Republicans refuse the vaccine, that still leaves MORE Black Democrats refusing the vaccine than Republicans.

And what are the true stats of vaccinations broken down by political party and by state: less than 10% difference. 50.4% of NY was partially vaccinated in May 44.3% of Florida was partially vaccinated at the same time, polls show indeed that Republicans are less likely to vaccinate, but that difference is often within a few percentage points of Democrats.

I don't know what else to say to you: the refusal of vaccination is not a partisan issue, it's a self-preservation issue. It's a trust issue.

Recent polls say 80% of unvaccinated Americans probably or definitely will not get the shot

This is the primary reason: Fauci has flip flopped and lied repeatedly, he even admitted to lying and misleading the public at the beginning of the pandemic. He has in the last week flip flopped several times in different interviews on whether mask mandates are necessary for those vaccinated. Now they're going to reinstate the mask mandates for everyone.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Anony Mous

Per WebMD:

In fact, nationwide, 1 in 4 hospital workers who have direct contact with patients had not received a single dose of a COVID-19 vaccine by the end of May, according to a WebMD and Medscape Medical News analysis of data collected by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) from 2,500 hospitals across the U.S.

Your sample size of 5 family members seems a bit too small.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Anony Mous

@jeffro: these are easy facts to find at this point. If you had found any non-MSM source for COVID information, eg the CDC and HHS.

Note <25 is not all minors. The age bracket of 12-18 is where, depending on region, you’ll find 60-90% of parents refusing the vaccine. Adults <25 are refusing it as well, given they run no risk. Do you know which population groups has the lowest vaccination rates? Black, inner city primarily Democrats. Do you know of all the teachers that were complaining about COVID kids infecting them that’s why they can’t go to work, 40% in NYC isn’t vaccinated, <50% of fire responders and police officers and <70% of health workers in NYC are vaccinated, despite having the worlds worst region last year. Look up the demographics, blacks are the lowest vaccinated group except native Americans, despite less than 25% of that group voted for Trump.

Again you’re arguing semantics and nitpicking missing the point. Go watch some more CNN, unless they all had aneurysms when it was announced none of the few dozen January 6th protestors got charged with sedition or treason.

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Serious Question: Are You Hearing About Anyone With The Flu Anymore or A Cold?

by minimus in

jw
friends

for years everyone was told they had to get the flu shot.

because the flu was dangerous and it could even kill you.

now, hardly anyone talks about the flu or having a cold.

Anony Mous

Lol. All my information is easily found. Since English is not my native language, you can find some semantics to argue about, but that’s just what cnn does, argue the semantics instead of the substance.

Again, ask yourself, 30-50% of the medical staff does not want the vaccine nor do they think they are at risk. There are many variant factors, but they are largely left wing voters. What is the reason only 20-30% of people under 25 have been vaccinated? Do you think 60-90% of parents today are right-wing conservative cooks that inject bleach instead?

You left-wingers are so far removed from society at large, you spin up concocted stories about conservatives, not even knowing the majority of people you are blaming and which Biden is calling names, is not at all conservative, I’m an atheist, middle-of-the-road socially liberal libertarian, that is basically an Andrew Yang style Democrat (sans the UBI) aka a Democrat or very liberal Republican with a brain. Everything I say is based on real data, which you can find yourself.

The fact it doesn’t stroke with your preconceived notions that government should force down treatments and muzzle our kids, doesn’t make me any likely to vote for Dems ever again. All the Dems currently in power will have to be replaced before I’m ever voting for that stupid party again. They started going downhill seriously with Obama, which was more divisive than even Trump.